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CAIO People in Prison

on Mon 4 Jun - 8:04
Sometimes when I am searching on Google for information about CAIO people, instead of finding anything about what I wanted to find, I find articles about LGBTI and not what I was looking for.


'CIAO People In Prison' is based on the Wikipedia article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_people_in_prison

If anyone wants to critique it or improve it, it might contribute to a good article for Wikipedia one day.


CIAO People In Prison.


Consensual Adult Incest Oriented (CIAO) prisoners often face additional challenges compared to LBGT and heterosexual and cisgender prisoners.[1] Although LGBT inmates are reportedly "among the most vulnerable in the prison population"and 67% of LGBT prisoners in California report being assaulted while in prison, to be LGBT in the US is of itself not a crime while being CIAO is a crime. At present CIAO people are not approved of by the LBGT community, and suffer discrimination and isolation in prison.

While much of the available data on LGBT inmates comes from the United States, and Amnesty International maintains records of known incidents internationally in which LGBT prisoners and those perceived to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender have suffered torture, ill-treatment and violence at the hands of fellow inmates as well as prison officials, Amnesty does not maintain records on the number of CIAO people who suffered torture, ill-treatment and violence at the hands of fellow inmates as well as prison officials,

Contents

1 Coming out
2 CIAO issues
2.1 Italy
2.2 Australia
2.3 United States
3 Conjugal visits
3.1 CIAO conjugal visitation by country
4 Health care
5 CIAO youth prisoners
6 Physical and sexual abuse
7 Segregation
8 Solitary confinement
9 Support for CIAO people in prison
10 See also
11 Notes
12 References

Coming out

Because CIAO inmates who may have been unaware of the danger of arrest for being openly CIAO outside of prison, they would tend to stay in the closet about their CIAO sexual identities while imprisoned. They would fear attacks because inmates who are known or perceived as CIAO, face not only institutional incestophobia from the guards and officials, but also from all the other hetero and LBGT prisoners who might mistakenly accuse them of child abuse or pedaphilia. By definition CIAO people are only in relationships with consenting adults.


On November 14, 2013, Harris County, Texas adopted an LGBT inmate policy. This policy is intended to protect and assure equal treatment of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender inmates. This allows individuals to be housed based on the gender they identify with instead of their biological sex. There are no such special considerations made for CIAO people.
Another important policy states that members of the transgender community will be referred to by their chosen name, even if it has not legally been changed, both when spoken to and on their identifications bracelets. The sheriff's office in Harris County has a training and certification program for staff members to become a "gender classification specialist" and have authorization to hold discussions with inmates about gender issues.[12]

No prison staff are trained or certified in dealing with CIA Orientation or have authorization to hold discussions with inmates about Ciao issues.[12]

No statistics are available on the number of CIAO people who suffer violence at the hands of other prisoners or staff at American or any other proi

In 2002 Dean Spade, a lawyer who is also transgender, founded the Sylvia Rivera Law Project which provides free legal services and uses education to end institutional discrimination against transgender people. The Sylvia Rivera Law Project runs the Prison Rights Project, which 'supports low income transgender people and transgender people of color involuntarily held in prison, jail, lock-up and immigration detention obtain life-sustaining services'. No parellel free legal service had been set up to assist CIAO people, who have not even committed any criminao act, anywhere in the world.

Conjugal visits

A conjugal visit is a scheduled extended visit during which an inmate of a prison is permitted to spend several hours or days in private with visitors, usually family members, in special rooms, trailers or even decorated, apartment-like settings on prison grounds. While the parties may engage in sexual intercourse, in practice an inmate may have several visitors, including children, as the generally recognized basis for permitting such a visit is to preserve family bonds and increase the chances of success for a prisoner's eventual return to life outside prison. Laws on conjugal visits vary widely by country from a total prohibition to very permissive policies. In jurisdictions where there is some form of recognition of same-sex relationships, prisoners may be permitted conjugal visits with a same-sex partner.[nb 1] In the United States, conjugal visits are allowed only in four states: California, Connecticut, New York and Washington.[14] So far, there are no reports of any CIAO people ever having been allowed even one conjugal visit, even though in some states the sentence for being CIAO person can be many years.


Same-sex conjugal visitation by country

Argentina
Opposite-sex conjugal visits have long been permitted, but a case in the central province of Córdoba has authorized same-sex conjugal visits as well. The ruling came after an inmate was twice punished with solitary confinement for having sex with his visiting partner in his cell. The inmate brought a lawsuit on the basis of a law that obliges authorities to "guarantee (the availability of) intimate relations for prisoners with their spouses or, alternatively, with their (partners)."[15]

Australia
In Australia, conjugal visits are only permitted in the Australian Capital Territory and Victoria. This includes visits by partners of the same-sex, provided they are not also incarcerated.[16] Conjugal visits of any type are not allowed in New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania, Western Australia and the Northern Territory.

Belgium
Both men and women are entitled to conjugal visitation as heterosexual couples. Belgium's prisons provide facilities where inmates can meet their spouses once a month for a maximum of two uninterrupted hours. There are however circumstances, as they apply to heterosexual couples as well, where these conjugal visits can be revoked.[17] Being a CIAO person is not a crime in Belgium.

Brazil
In February 2015 inmates who register their same sex partner have the right to conjugal visitations in all of Brazil's jails. This decision was reached by the National Criminal and Penitentiary Council. The conjugal visit must be guaranteed at least once a month and cannot be prohibited or suspended as a disciplinary measure with the exception of certain cases where violations being restricted are linked to the improper use of conjugal visitations.[18] Being a CIAO person is not a crime in Brazil.

Canada
All inmates, with the exception of those on disciplinary restrictions or at risk for family violence, are permitted "Private Family Visits" of up to 72 hours' duration once every two months. Eligible visitors, who may not themselves be prison inmates, are: spouse, or common-law partner of at least six months; children; parents; foster parents; siblings; grandparents; and "persons with whom, in the opinion of the institutional head, the inmate has a close familial bond." Food is provided by the institution but paid by the inmates and visitors, who are also responsible for cleaning the unit after the visit. During a visit, staff members have regular contact with the inmate and visitors.[19]

Caribbean region
Conjugal visits are not permitted in the Caribbean. Marcus Day, adviser to the Association of Caribbean Heads of Corrections and Prison Services has urged the implementation of opposite-sex conjugal visitation for male inmates and the provision of condoms within prisons in an effort to stop the spread of HIV.[20] Day attributes the spread of HIV/AIDS in prisons to "homosexual relationships among otherwise heterosexual men and homosexual rape," situations he said are rife in Caribbean prisons:"Allow men to have the women come and visit them in prison and have a private room where they can make love to each other and the desire to have same-sex relationships will be greatly reduced," claimed Day.[21]

Colombia
On October 11, 2001, the Colombian Supreme Court issued a verdict in favour of the right to same-sex conjugal visits in a case brought by Alba Nelly Montoya, a lesbian in the Risaralda Women's Prison. This was not the first case regarding same-sex conjugal visitation in the country. Marta Alvarez, another lesbian inmate, had been campaigning since 1994 for the same right, and on October 1, 1999 her case became the first ever sexual orientation-related case presented before the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. In her petition, Alvarez had argued that her rights to personal dignity, integrity, and equality were being infringed upon by the denial to allow her conjugal visits in prison, since the Colombian National Penitentiary and Prison Institute (INPEC) granted conjugal visitation rights in a discriminatory fashion to heterosexual men and women (the latter restricted to visits from husbands only), and denied this right to same-sex couples.[22][23]

While the Colombian government admitted its failure to grant conjugal visitation to Alvarez constituted "inhuman and discriminatory" treatment, it continued to deny such visits, arguing reasons of security, discipline, and morality. Alvarez was also subjected to retaliatory disciplinary measures, including being transferred to a men's prison, which ceased following a domestic and international protest campaign.[22][24]

Costa Rica
In August 2008, the Costa Rican Constitutional Tribunal rejected a man's appeal in a lawsuit against prison authorities who stopped his conjugal visits to his male partner, a current inmate, ruling that gay inmates do not have the right to conjugal visits. The court recently rejected this ruling and now allows same-sex conjugal visits.[25]

Israel
Gay prisoners in Israeli Prison System (IPS) are allowed conjugal visits with their partners under the same circumstances as heterosexual prisoners. This policy was revised in July 2013 under Association for Civil Rights in Israel chief legal attorney Dan Yakir challenged the lack of conjugal visits for same sex inmates since 2009.[26] Being a CIAO person is not a crime in Israel.

Mexico
In July 2007 through the efforts of the country's National Human Rights Commission (CDHDF), the Mexico City prison system began allowing same-sex conjugal visits on the basis of a 2003 law which bans discrimination based on sexual orientation. The visitor is not required to be married to the inmate. This policy change applies to all Mexico City Prisons.[27]

Russia
Same-sex long or official visits are prohibited, but short visits for friends can be organised if one is imprisoned in a so-called kolonija-poselenie.[citation needed] Official sex in prison is possible only during the 1–3 day long visit of a registered heterosexual spouse.[citation needed] Being a CIAO person is not a crime in Russia.

United Kingdom
Conjugal visits are not allowed to any prisoner regardless of sexual orientation,[28] but home visits are.

United States
In June 2007, the California Department of Corrections announced it would allow same-sex conjugal visits. The policy was enacted to comply with a 2005 state law requiring state agencies to give the same rights to domestic partners that heterosexual couples receive. The new rules allow for visits only by registered married same sex couples or domestic partners who are not themselves incarcerated. Further, the same sex marriage or domestic partnership must have been established before the prisoner was incarcerated.[29] In April 2011, New York adopted to allow conjugal visits for currently married, or civil-union spouses same-sex partners.[30]

Health care

Due to a life-time of psychological stress as a result of institutional and private incestophobia, CIAO people may already be highly stressed and have emotional and psychological problems before they are incarcerated.
and incarceration would necessarily aggraveate their condition. Prison policies generally do not recognize the need for the continuation of medical treatment at the onset of incarceration, nor do they acknowledge the psychological need to be imprisoned with other members of one's psychological sex /orientation at the time of incarceration."[33]





According to some studies, LGBT youth are particularly at risk for arrest and detention.[34] Jody Marksamer, Shannan Wilber, and Katayoon Majd, writing on behalf of the Equity Project, a collaboration between Legal Services for Children, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, and the National Juvenile Defender Center, say that LGBT youth are overrepresented in the populations of youth who are at risk of arrest and of those who are confined in juvenile justice facilities in the United States.[34]

Similar to how transgender adults and gay, trans, and gender nonconforming youth are often placed into solitary confinement, allegedly for their own protection, CIAO people are "protected" in the same way. Often, however, it is because they are seen as sexual predators rather than potential victims. Courts also commonly assign CIAO people to sex offender treatment programs even when convicted of a completely consensual (victimless) sexual crime with another adult.[35]

Physical and sexual abuse

According to Amnesty International, globally, LGBT prisoners and those perceived to be LGBT, are at risk of torture, ill-treatment and violence from other inmates as well as prison officials.[3] Amnesty International cites numerous cases internationally where LGBT inmates are known to have been abused or murdered by prison officials or fellow inmates. AI does not bother with statistics for CIAO people or indeed reply to letters asking AI to assist in cases where CIAO people are unjustly imprisoned.

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"[P]risoners fitting any part of the following description are more likely to be targeted: young, small in size, physically weak, gay, first offender, possessing "feminine" characteristics such as long hair or a high voice; being unassertive, unaggressive, shy, intellectual, not street-smart, or "passive"; or having been convicted of a sexual offense against a minor. Prisoners with any one of these characteristics typically face an increased risk of sexual abuse, while prisoners with several overlapping characteristics are much more likely than other prisoners to be targeted for abuse."[4][37]

Pretty young attractive CIAO women in a women's prison might also be targeted by predatory female homosexuals, guards or prisoners, and may also be unsafe from male guards and police during arrest and interrogation.

In Roland v. Johnson,[nb 3] the court described "gangs of homosexual predators". And Ashann-Ra v. Virginia[nb 4] contains references to "inmates known to be predatory homosexuals [stalking] other inmates in the showers". According to a study by Human Rights Watch, however, "The myth of the 'homosexual predator' is groundless. Perpetrators of rape typically view themselves as heterosexual and, outside of the prison environment, prefer to engage in heterosexual activity. Gay inmates are much more likely than other inmates to be victims not perpetrators of sexual abuse."[4] but this is equally true for CIAO people people, who by definition, are not interested in sex with anyone but close family who are consenting adults.

A related problem is that there is a tendency, among both prison officials and prisoners, to view victimization as proof of homosexuality: (or if the victim is a CIAO person, that they deserve to be raped). "The fact of submitting to rape—even violent, forcible rape—redefines [a prisoner] as 'a punk, sissy, queer.'" (or deserves a big punishment for some kind of sinful act). Officials sometimes take the view all sex involving a gay prisoner is necessarily consensual, meaning that victims known or perceived to be gay may not receive necessary medical treatment, protection, and legal recourse, and perpetrators may go unpunished and remain able to perpetrate abuse on their victims:[39] One might presume that a similar thought process applies with CIAO people: Officials might also take the view all rapes or beatings of a CIAO prisoner is necessarily deserved , meaning that victims known or perceived to be CIAO may not receive necessary medical treatment, protection, and legal recourse, and perpetrators may go unpunished and remain able to perpetrate abuse on their victims



According to Andrea Cavanaugh Kern, a spokesperson for Stop Prisoner Rape, the combination of high rates of sexual assault against gay prisoners and high rates of HIV infection in the prison population is "a life-or-death issue for the LGBT community".[9] CIAO people must also fear being raped by someone with HIV in prison, and or being killed or injured by staff or fellow prisoners.

While much of the data regards male prisoners, according to Amnesty International, "perceived or actual sexual orientation has been found to be one of four categories that make a female prisoner a more likely target for sexual abuse".[3]
Segregation

For their own safety, CIAO people in prison are sometimes placed in administrative segregation or protective custody.[40] Although CIAO sexuality is "generally regarded as a factor supporting an inmate's claim to protective custody", incestophobia among prison officials and a misperception among many guards that "when a CIAO inmate has sex with another person ( raped) it is somehow by definition deserved" mean that access to such protective custody is not always easy or available.[41]

Another problem is that protective and disciplinary custody are often the same, which means that prisoners in "protective housing" are often held with the most violent inmates in highly restrictive and isolated settings—sometimes in more or less permanent lockdown or solitary confinement—that prevent them from participating in medical treatment, education and job-training programs, from having contact with other prisoners or outside visitors, or from enjoying privileges such as the right to watch television, listen to the radio, or even to leave their cells.[2] The degree of safety that protective custody provides depends on the facilities. Protective custody can provide a secure environment that is free from violence by other prisoners or it can isolate prisoners, and position them with a higher risk of violence by a correctional officer. Although the protective custody can offer some level of protection, the harmful physical and psychological impacts of isolation show that it is an unwanted alternative to assignment in the general population.[42]

In other cases, institutions may have special areas (known by such nicknames as the "queerentine", "gay tank", "queen tank", or "softie tank") for housing vulnerable inmates such as LGBT people, elderly or disabled prisoners, or informers. In San Francisco, for example, transgender inmates are automatically segregated from other prisoners. Nevertheless, according to Eileen Hirst, San Francisco Sheriff's Chief of Staff, being gay is not in itself enough to justify a request for protective housing: inmates requesting such housing must demonstrate that they are vulnerable.[43] This of course would apply to CIAO inmates as well.

For financial or other reasons segregated housing is not always available. For instance at Rikers Island, New York City's largest jail, the segregated unit for LGBT prisoners, known as "gay housing", was closed in December 2005 citing a need to improve security.[43] The unit had opened in the 1970s due to concerns about abuse of LGBT prisoners in pretrial detention. The New York City Department of Corrections' widely criticised plan was to restructure the classification of prisoners and create a new protective custody system which would include 23-hour-per-day lockdown (identical to that mandated for disciplinary reasons) or moving vulnerable inmates to other facilities.[44] Whereas formerly all that was required was a declaration of homosexuality or the appearance of being transgender, inmates wanting protective custody would now be required to request it in a special hearing.[45] No special provison seems to have been made for CIAO people.
Solitary confinement

Solitary confinement has become the prison system's preferred method to protect inmates from other prisoners in cases involving sexual assault, harassment and physical violence. CIAO prisoners are also likely to find that this method only increases the harassment they receive from officers and various other staff members as reported by Injustice at Every Turn.[46] In the report, 44% of transgender male respondents and 40% of transgender women respondents who were imprisoned reported being harassed by officers and/or other staff members of the prison system.[46] While in solitary confinement, CIAO and transgender individuals are less likely to receive medical care.

Some CIAO people, having suffered years of semil-isolation as a result of internalised incestophobia, ( and institutional incestophobia) could develop serious psychologicl problems in prison and may be "placed in segregation over extended periods of their incarceration for the purpose of protection from self-harm or abuse by others. Segregation for prolonged periods is not only inhuman but [is additionally] unconducive to any prospect of stabilization or rehabilitation."[5]

The use of solitary confinement also lessens CIAO inmate's access to programs and work assignments where they may be able to lessen their sentences, enter rehabilitation programs, or earn money to buy basic products such as soap and also lesses their chances to obtain parole or conditional release.[47]

Solitary confinement is also likely to affect the mental health of CIAO prisoners, not just [46] 41% of transgender respondents who were reported to have attempted suicide because if it.

Support for CIAO people in prison

As a result of the lack of of awareness of CIAO persons in prisons, no organizations have developed specifically to support CIAO people in the prison system. Organizations that already address the various needs surrounding specific issues that LGBT persons in the prison system face, might, with some encouragement also be able to help CIAO people. Organizations that support family members of LGBTQ inmates might also beable to support families of CIAO people.

Black and Pink is an American organization that is composed of "LGBTQ prisoners and 'free world' allies" who focus on prison abolishment movement and support LGBTQ prison inmates and their families.[48]
At present there is no evidence that Black and Pink supports CIAO prison inmates or their families. CIAO organisations could consider approaching BAP in this issue, but are considering starting their own welfare organisation to help CIAO people who are prison inmates.
BAP organization offers various services such as court accompaniment, a pen pal program, workshops and training, and support for LGBTQ persons who are experiencing sexual violence, harassment, or lack of health care.[48] CIAO organisations need to consider forming an organisation similar to BAP.
See also

CIAO portal

Homelessness among CIAO youth in the United States
CIAO human rights
CIAO people in American prisons
CIAO Archives at the University of CIAO
CIAO inequality § Violence and the criminal justice system

Notes

As of June 20-17 of the 195 countries in the world today ( 193 countries that are member states of the United Nations and 2 countries that are non-member observer states: the Holy See and the State of Palestine) CIAO sexual behaviour remains illegal in over 155 countries (see Adult Consensual Incest laws of the world

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on Mon 4 Jun - 22:33
This is an excellent article, and it does point out all of the additional risks that people with alternative sexual orientations are likely to have when they enter the prison system. One day there should be proper protections set up for consangs (as well as LGBT people) in jail which doesn't involve segregation. I'd be in favour of each prison having a wing specifically for people with sexual or gender identities which would put them at added risk of abuse, and the staff that work there should be trained to be sensitive to the unique issues these prisoners face. This would eliminate the need for isolation, so that LGBT people are housed with other LGBT people, and consangs housed with other consangs. Prison is meant to be a punishment of losing your freedom, it is NOT supposed to be a place where you get beaten and mentally tortured because of your orientation or gender identity.
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on Tue 5 Jun - 5:28
Thanks, JD! Your comments are appreciated. It is a pity the original article left out CIAO people (my main focus) so Keith and others might be upset that I forgot to add poly). But any wiki article can be changed later on.

I forgot to say 'Being a CIAO person is not a crime in Argentina.'
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on Tue 5 Jun - 22:23
I'm not surprised that the original article left it out, most regulars have very little if any awareness about consanguinamory, but they have plenty about LGBT issues and so that is where the focus tends to be when people discuss any kind of extra considerations necessary for sexual minorities within any given context (in this case, the prison system).
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on Wed 6 Jun - 3:05
Hi,
It seems a bit odd that the article was about LBGT people being in jail when LBGT has not been a crime in the USA in most states since 2003. When I was at school in the 60s and 70s, I heard no discussion of anything like LBGT and didn't notice any oppression of LBGT individuals, (we'd heard there was a couple of guys living together across the road, but no fuss was made about that); by that time the series, 'All In The Family' had already covered "issues previously considered unsuitable for a U.S. network television comedy, such as racism, infidelity, homosexuality, women's liberation, rape, religion, miscarriages, abortion, breast cancer, the Vietnam War, menopause, and impotence" ( and bigotry itself, so after leaving high school and I heard about one friend of a friend who was in a relationship with his sis. I don't think I or anyone of my friends thought there was anything was wrong or had an issue with it. After watching an episode of 'All In The family' just now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7a2v70Ikk I realize it was a very clever, moving, funny, and powerful show, but they erred in not covering the issue of ACI & Poly rights
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on Wed 6 Jun - 5:21
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LBGT has not been a crime of itself in the USA since 2003. It gets a bit heavy delving into the complicated morass of legal and moral ramifications in these matters that I'll spare you of my musings.

When I was at school long ago I heard no discussion of anything like LBGT but also didn't notice any oppression of LBGT individuals, (we'd heard there was a couple of guys living together across the road, but no fuss was made about that); by that time the great TV comedy series, 'All In The Family' had already covered "issues previously considered unsuitable for a U.S. network television comedy, such as racism, infidelity, homosexuality, women's liberation, rape, religion, miscarriages, abortion, breast cancer, the Vietnam War, menopause, and impotence" ( and bigotry itself,) I was not much fussed when after leaving high school and I heard about one friend of a friend who was in a relationship with his sister. I don't think I or anyone else of my friends thought there was anything was especially wrong with it. After watching an episode of 'All In The family' just now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha7a2v70Ikk I realize it was a very clever, moving, funny, and powerful show. Recent shows that may have tried to address ACI & Poly (Dr Ken?) might help but, it would have been better had 'All IN The Family' done it already 40-50 years ago. Perhaps the new Rozanne show might have attempted to cover such issues. It is a pity we can't shut all conversation down, esp TV shows by charging people with incestophobia ( yet:-).
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on Wed 6 Jun - 22:56
Actually, I think that a charge of incestophobia should ONLY apply in certain circumstances, for instance if somebody is fired from a job, denied housing, assaulted, harassed, or bombared with threatening messages because of their orientation. I don't think we should seek to prosecute people who are simply expressing that they disagree with our sexuality. I believe in freedom of speech, and because there isn't a single objection that people can raise that we cannot counter with reason, we have nothing whatsoever to fear from people. Actually, in countering objections rationally and firmly, in an atmosphere of free debate, we have everything to gain and nothing to lose. You see, bigots always hang themselves when provided with enough rope, I say give them the rope and people will eventually see that it is we who have the best arguments. Our liberation will happen, believe me, it will. Everyone has the right not to suffer abuse, but they do not have the right to silence opinions that they do not like. For this reason, I welcome debate, I welcome the objections, I welcome being called every name under the sun; you know why... because once somebody resorts to calling me a 'sicko' or some other insulting name, I know I've won the debate and they have nothing, absolutely nothing, to fall back on. So rather than get upset about it, I smile to myself. We are stronger than we realize at times, we're up against a mountain of hate, but that mountain is climbed one step at a time. Hate will always lose because love is stronger, we just need to take a step back and understand that. We do not need political correctness to protect us, in the long run that would be counterproductive.

Now, as to how we are portrayed in TV and stuff like that, I'm actually quite forgiving on that front too, the producers and writers are working from a position of ignorance, they're guessing when they fill in the blanks of their knowledge, or even worse, drawing from 'common knowledge' which is actually anything but knowledge. This gap in knowledge will not remain in the long term. One day a soap opera will contain a consang couple portrayed accurately (just as soap operas will usually have at least one gay couple these days), but it's likely to be once incest is legal and most people know at least one consang couple.


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on Thu 7 Jun - 10:53
Hi, I agree with you, name-calling and labeling under more PCism would be counter productive. I was meaning about more serious incestophobia where CIAO people are seriously harmed as in : accused, arrested and jailed and robbed of their kids.( you mentioned some other cases, such as denied jobs which I agree with.
Can you imagine if the 'N' word (racist term) was used in movies seen on TV as much as we now hear the 'MF' word? Once when the writers were short of an adjective they would use the 'F'ing word. (But now even some modern BBC shows seem to be competitions on how many vulgar obscenities and be used in one sentence). It is possibly unintentional subliminal teaching of a hate speech to young people designed to de-sensitize them to abusive language they will encounter in their lives ( in the army) ...but given the fact that other words are not allowed to be used on the media, (the 'c' word is rare though quite Shakespearean) I am a little bit bothered about the subtle effect of this on-going barrage of verbal attacks at CIAO people via verbal bullets. It is a double insult because those who might feel attacked are not in a position to defend themselves, and because of the constant exposure to this sort of language, they themselves could end up internalizing the incestophobic message, similar to the way people who see cars advertised on TV all the time, end up wanting a certain type of car, even if the hate cars:-) and all the deaths injuries and pollution they make:-)
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on Thu 7 Jun - 21:48
I think most people are somewhat desensitized to bad language, but there is a world of difference between the casual use of the F word (of which I'm guilty myself), and using a highly offensive word that marginalizes a whole subset of people. And yes, I agree that they shouldn't be using the MF word as if it's no different from calling somebody a dickhead, it's ingrained incestophobia. I think legislation isn't the best way to go about it though, education is the key.

It seems we're probably thinking along similar lines when it comes to what the laws should be, and yes, the more serious stuff that goes beyond verbal taunting definitely needs to be addressed. Assault is already illegal, but in cases where it's obviously driven by hate it should be classed as a hate crime, on par with racism. Let's face it there are plenty of incestophobes in the world, the message should be that they can hold any bigoted opinions that they want to, but once they use their opinions to justify criminal actions against us, then they've crossed the line and should be punished accordingly.

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