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on Thu 7 Feb - 2:35
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I know this is going to be unpopular but I am not so sure about this body positivity movement. I dont think anyone should feel ugly or be shamed for their weight but I was reading an article on body image and I saw a quote that to me is just wrong, and not only wrong dangerous.

I am a fat woman. I was a fat teenager. It took me years of hard work to learn to accept myself, but I finally embraced the idea that my body was healthy at any size.

I will never shame someone over their weight but there are very real health concerns with being overweight, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes among them.

It's one thing to believe no one should be shamed over their weight or appearance and I agree with that, its quite another to spread dangerous lies and misconceptions.

I am not going to be like one of those girls who says everyone should be like me and work out 2-3 hours a day. Truth is I am partially lucky to have a family of slender women. I may not be overweight regardless of how much I work out. I understand that.
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on Thu 7 Feb - 10:43
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Agreed. Self-acceptance is important, but should not be confused with physical health. I spend 80% of my day every day talking to diabetics about how to control their blood sugars and prevent or reduce diabetes' effects on their body. Nearly all of them are significantly overweight.
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on Thu 7 Feb - 22:03
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I'm open to being persuaded by sound medical science on this issue. But there are plenty of historical examples of medical authorities lending scientific weight to the contemporary prejudices of the society around them. There was impressive scientific authority, for example, behind vicious ideas of racial superiority/inferiority a mere century ago. So I'm inclined to take medical warnings about obesity with a grain of salt. I believe that if a person eats a varied diet low in sugar and processed foods, and is able to get regular exercise, they shouldn't worry about their weight. In fact, worrying about weight drives eating disorders, and doesn't help people stay healthy at all. The so-called obesity crisis is, I assert, a crisis of bad nutrition, driven by subsidies to the agribusiness/food processing industry. But instead of tackling that public health policy problem directly, it's easier to make people feel bad about their weight, like it's their own personal moral failing.

In the interest of full disclosure, my views of this matter are influenced by the fact that I am strongly attracted to heavier women, not hardbody types, not emaciated supermodels. So I *hate* the opprobrium that's put on heavier people: these include the women I find most beautiful. I want them to know they are beautiful just as they are, and to be able to celebrate their own beauty.
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on Thu 7 Feb - 22:37
Willendorfer wrote:I'm open to being persuaded by sound medical science on this issue. But there are plenty of historical examples of medical authorities lending scientific weight to the contemporary prejudices of the society around them. There was impressive scientific authority, for example, behind vicious ideas of racial superiority/inferiority a mere century ago. So I'm inclined to take medical warnings about obesity with a grain of salt.  I believe that if a person eats a varied diet low in sugar and processed foods, and is able to get regular exercise, they shouldn't worry about their weight.  In fact, worrying about weight drives eating disorders, and doesn't help people stay healthy at all.  The so-called obesity crisis is, I assert, a crisis of bad nutrition, driven by subsidies to the agribusiness/food processing industry. But instead of tackling that public health policy problem directly, it's easier to make people feel bad about their weight, like it's their own personal moral failing.

In the interest of full disclosure, my views of this matter are influenced by the fact that I am strongly attracted to heavier women, not hardbody types, not emaciated supermodels. So I *hate* the opprobrium that's put on heavier people: these include the women I find most beautiful.  I want them to know they are beautiful just as they are, and to be able to celebrate their own beauty.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/weight-management/health-risks-overweight some on article from the NIH about obesity. they reference the research one in the article. All the research cited in this article is from the NIH.

And I did qualify that I am lucky to have the genetics from a family of slender women. I know part of it is genetics and not a moral failing. I also tried very hard to stress that people shouldn't be shamed for their weight. What I disagree with is spreading the idea that you can be healthy at any weight. Current medical science and every doctor I have ever spoken to stresses this is not true. You can't seriously expect me to believe that someone who is 4 or 500 pounds is healthy. Obviously Bulimia and Anorexia are terrible afflictions and not conducive to good health either. I'd never recommend to a girl (or man) that they should starve themselves to lose weight. I just want people to be informed, rather then make up fantasies and pretend that there is no health risk.

On a lighter note you would definitely not find me attractive lol. I'm firmly "athletic" body type. Most of my weight is muscle mass. Now please realize I don't think this makes me better then anyone else and I do realize that working out alone may not account for my figure much of it is genetics. Although I am proud of how fit I am and what I can lift and leg press etc... because I do spend a lot of time training.
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on Fri 8 Feb - 0:04
I'm delighted that you are proud of your body, Celes. Keep it up. I just ask that you please extend the same courtesy to people who don't have your body shape. You say you don't want to shame other people, and I appreciate that; but it's hard to talk about this issue without that subtext hovering in the background. And I sincerely doubt that a person who eats a varied diet of mostly whole foods, and who gets regular exercise, could end up morbidly obese. I agree that good nutritional habits are important; I just think it's unhelpful to focus on the weight number as the goal.
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on Fri 8 Feb - 0:27
Willendorfer wrote:I'm delighted that you are proud of your body, Celes. Keep it up. I just ask that you please extend the same courtesy to people who don't have your body shape. You say you don't want to shame other people, and I appreciate that; but it's hard to talk about this issue without that subtext hovering in the background. And I sincerely doubt that a person who eats a varied diet of mostly whole foods, and who gets regular exercise, could end up morbidly obese. I agree that good nutritional habits are important; I just think it's unhelpful to focus on the weight number as the goal.
I agree weight number alone and even bmi alone isn't a good indicator of health. I weigh more then other girls my height and dress size because I have more muscle mass and less percentage of body fat. Percentage of body fat is more what I mean when I talk about being overweight. Too much body fat is bad for you. Weight alone doesnt account for bone structure or muscle mass.
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on Thu 4 Apr - 21:10
I 100% agree with you. It is so fucking reckless telling people they are healthy, when they are in fact DYING. I am not a skinny girl, I have struggled with my weight, and body image issues. And I am super happy with where I am now. But the simple inarguable fact, is the bigger you are the more of a chance it's going to be what kills you.
Everyone should feel confident, and beautiful, and good about themselves, no matter what, everyone really is beautiful imo. But it should be a crime to tell someone with serious health risks that they are fine, perfect the way they are, and healthy.
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on Thu 4 Apr - 22:02
ava20 wrote:I 100% agree with you. It is so fucking reckless telling people they are healthy, when they are in fact DYING. I am not a skinny girl, I have struggled with my weight, and body image issues. And I am super happy with where I am now. But the simple inarguable fact, is the bigger you are the more of a chance it's going to be what kills you.
Everyone should feel confident, and beautiful, and good about themselves, no matter what, everyone really is beautiful imo. But it should be a crime to tell someone with serious health risks that they are fine, perfect the way they are, and healthy.  
I'm sorry to hear you struggled with body Image issues. i'm glad to hear you are happy where you are now! Everyone should feel comfortable in their bodies.
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on Fri 5 Apr - 5:55
If you actually look at the research numbers, Not the abstracts which is all any of the Doctors or nutritional specialists read, it clearly show irrefutable evidence that obesity is a symptom of insulin resistance and glycosis. For the last 100yrs we have been given biased false information on what we should and shouldn't be eating. Deep down inside we all actually know, we just haven't asked ourselves the right questions. Ask yourself what did your ancestors eat 50,000yrs ago? They didn't have refrigerators or effective ways to preserve plant material, so that meant they only ate fruits an vegetables the 2-3Mo a year they are ripe. And the other 9-10Mo lived on a diet of fatty meat almost exclusively. In the last 10,000yrs we have been farming we still did not have good refrigeration or preservation till the last 70yrs, so again we know most of the diet for the last 10K yrs was also fatty meat based. 70yrs is not enough time to evolve to digest plant material on a daily basis. All doctors and nutritionists know plant material can only be broken down into sugar. Our bodies were never designed to consume the amount of sugar we are eating, and that includes things like Atkins that cut out straight sugars and carbs. Go ask your doc or nutritionist which carbs or sugars are essential for life. If they give you an answer other than none, they are either an idiot or a liar, and you shouldn't take any advice from them.

It has been known for decades but kept under wraps there are two states of being for the human body Glycosis and Ketosis. Your body can only function in one or the other. Glycosis you body runs off of sugar, Ketosis your body runs off of Ketones which is pure modified fat. We evolved so that 80-90% of the year our bodies are supposed to be in Ketosis running purely off of fats and meat. Then for a few months in late summer early fall plants become ripe and we go into glycosis, which gives us a quick sugar rush so we will eat as much of that ripe fruit as we can, then it makes us tired so our bodies can turn all that sugar directly into body fat, to be used later when we are in the famine(ketosis) rest of the year. The second your mouth tastes something sweet it goes into glycosis mode. In today's western society we never go back into ketosis so our body's are perpetually packing on weight for the famine that will never come. Because we are flooding our bodies with sugars we are not evolved to have so much of, it creates insulin resistance and obesity. Eating what doctors and nutritionists claim are healthy, well balanced diets will continue to make us all sicker, more obese and diabetic. We have gone from 10-20% diabetes in the 70s to now over 50% diabetes or prediabetic and that can directly be traced back to the food pyramid and the low fat food craze.

I spent over two yrs going to 10x different specialists trying to figure out what was wrong with me. Like clockwork about an hour after I would eat I would get drowsy, confused and foggy headed. There were times it was so bad I would almost pass out. I knew it was sugar related, but at the time I had cut out all carbs and processed sugars. I was eating a super lean, low protein, high plant material diet and I was never cheating. Literally the diet all doctors recommend people to eat I was eating. I continued to gain weight, and feel worse and worse everyday. Towards the end I would randomly get scalp itching as if someone just turned on a poison ivy switch, then it would go away just as fast. I was at a point where I was afraid I was going to ave yo quit working and go on disability. The last straw was going to an endocrinologist who specialized in Diabetes. I told him my symptoms, showed him a diary of my food and me keeping track of my blood sugar which would float around 100 when I got up, spike to 130-160 within 15-30mins then drop down to 70-80 after 45mins so obviously my body was releasing too much insulin. With all this evidence he said well seems you got some kind of food allergy cause you seem to be eating right, and if you sugar levels aren't dropping down into 50-30s I can't do anything for you. WTF at those levels people have seizures and go into comas. So I gave up on doctors and started doing my own research, almost a full year, where I figured out not a single recent nutritional research paper is based on actual scientific numbers and are highly biased. I came across some people which had similar symptoms as me, that had cured their symptoms going Carnivore(meat, eggs and cheese only) and eliminated all plant material. After a year of research I decided to give it a try. So second week of last November I started eating nothing but high fat, meat eggs and cheese. Within 3days my energy levels were thru the roof, no more feeling bad after I ate. No more insane sugar cravings or the shakes when my blood sugar got too low. In fact my blood sugar levels are rock solid between 95-100, regardless of time of day or when I have eaten. Heartburn I had for 15yrs and had given up trying to stop went totally away. My arthritis went away, seriously, in the mornings I couldn't make a solid fists due to my joints being swollen and painful and it's totally gone. My allergies went away. I eat as much as I anytime I am hungry, I do not restrict calories and I have now dropped 40lbs without exercise or trying. My body has now stabilized at a healthy 190lbs. My depression and social anxiety has all but disappeared. I haven't felt this great since I in my teens and taking lots of narcotics.

Getting rid of the plants and sugars from my diet was the best thing I have ever done in my life.

The reason I believe a lot of this happened is all plants have low level toxins in them to keep us from fully digesting them. They want animals to eat them, but then pass the undigested seeds further down the road. Consumed once a year when plants are ripe those low level toxins aren't a big deal. It's when we start eating them everyday that the toxins in our systems build up. Our bodies then try to respond with our immune system, but since those toxins are flowing through our blood stream it starts attacking our own body. Like in my case the arthritis. Once I got rid of the plants that was inflammatory the arthritis, heartburn, scalp itching and what I thought was seasonal allergies totally went away. Think of it this way people can live for years and years getting dosed daily with arsenic in low enough doses, but they will continue to get sicker and sicker. That s what we all are doing to ourselves because some quack told you it was healthy. To this day there has not been one single research study done to evaluate the toxins in plant material and how it effects the body over the long term.

The point of all of this long manifesto(sorry by the way), is obese people aren't that way because they choose to be, they can restrict calories for a while and maybe temporarily lose some weight, but they will just pack it back on before long. Ever wonder why you never see a Biggest Loser "reunion" show? It's because after all the surgeries and training within 24Mo they have all gained the weight back. There is no other option but to gain weight if you follow the ADA or your doctors diet recommendations. They aren't doing it on purpose they simply don't know any better because they never read past the abstracts of research papers. Some people are more adapted to the western diet, and can restrict their diet and exercise and stay relatively in shape. But that is genetics most of us don't have.

I highly recommend anyone having issues or family members having issues look up Dr Ken D. Berry on YouTube. Even better read his book "The lies your Doctor tells You"

Also don't hesitate to PM me if you want to know more I am happy to share my experiences with anyone and not selling anything. Just sharing the literal miracle that I have seen by going back to the true diet we are designed to eat.

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on Fri 5 Apr - 6:07
Well I would like to point out that until recently people also lived to the ripe old age of 35. So our Ancestors weren't exactly living a long time. With that said I dont really do a lot of crazy dieting I work out. I work out A LOT. 1 an hour of swimming and an hour of exercise every day plus an hour weight training 3 days on top of the regular 2 hours. My job is also very physical so I get another easy 5 hours of exercise in my job 5 days a week. So I burn a ton of calories. I kind of just eat whatever I want because I know I will burn off those calories.
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on Fri 5 Apr - 7:11
That 35yo age is a misunderstood statistic. And unfortunately continues to be falsely promoted in classes around the world. In truth if you look a little deeper into the research(those pesky actual numbers again versus the research abstracts) there were plenty of people living into their 50-60s and some even older. The 35yo number is an average which factors in the extremely high numbers of infant mortality and mothers dying during child birth or shortly after. Remove those two parts of the equation and the average age jumps significantly and is much closer to our own in.modern times. It had little to nothing to due to their diets. Was there times of extreme drought and famine, absolutely. But the average ages over the Millennia was much higher than we are usually told after removing child birth out of the picture.

I would bet money, by your own admissions you are genetically blessed to be more tolerant to western foods, giving you the energy to exercise at the level you do. I'm jealous. But the fact is most of the rest of us are not, and you can't choose to excercise at that level if you don't have the energy to do so. I have heard a ton of doctors, coaches and nutritionists say oh you need to exercise more or do X with you diet. To myself and many others including.my.wife. And I am living proof that isn't the case. I was eating correctly and exercising as well. I am a cyclist and regularly do 100mile bike rides. You and I are in a small minority fitness wise. Due to the issues caused by my diet I had to stop riding. I simply could not keep up and was fading slowly. At the time I concluded it must just be my age. But now realize it was 100% an ssue of following the dietary advice I was given by well meaning, but misinformed doctors, nutritionists and Pro level bicycling coaches. I just started back riding this week and at the end of my 20plus mile rides was wanting more. I never felt that way a year ago. More power and endurance, and I am.just starting back training.

I am glad the exercising is working for you, but as I mentioned before I believe it more has to do with genetics, than anything else. That does not devalue in any way the effort and the work you are doing, just means you are tolerant enough to your diet to have the energy which most people don't, but eating the same things you are. I can speak from experience despite most people saying otherwise, no amount of exercise or calorie restriction is going to help the vast majority of people who are over weight.

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on Sat 13 Apr - 0:44
I've used keto diet to lose weight before succesfully. I have considered the carnivore route, but in all honesty I doubt I could stick to it for more than a few days because I would get bored of eating just meat and eggs, not to mention it would mean giving up my morning cup of tea. I'd also be concerned about not getting enough vitamin C, which to my knowledge you can only get from plant sources. Do you take a supplement or make an exception for lemon juice? Fully agree with one thing though: our bodies are NOT designed for massive amounts of carbohydrates at every meal, and we didn't eat ANY particularly high carb foods until 10,000 years ago. We probably ate fruits seasonally, to fatten ourselves up a bit for the winter, but these would only have been available for a relatively short window of time during the autumn, it wouldn't have been a year round bonanza of carbs.
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