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on Sat 9 Sep - 15:48
Hi All,
My name is Kathryn. I am 33, married, and I live in Seattle. I am looking to connect with like minded individuals living nearby locally. Most of my experiences are in the past. If you would like to reach out to me, you can connect with me on wire. It is a private messenger app that can be assessed through a web browser (app.wire.com). Please add me @kathrynzia. I looking forward with chatting with you Smile

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Re: Introduction

on Sat 9 Sep - 17:41
Hi Kathryn, a pleasure to have you here, but before I am able to upgrade you, could you please confirm that when you had your experiences, neither yourself nor the other person was under 18? Forum rules you see, we have to enforce them to keep up the moral standards around here Smile
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on Sat 9 Sep - 19:07
Well, I can't say that is entirely true. I was introduced quite young. However, as and adult, I had an off and on relationship (more sexual than an actual relationship) with my half brother. I have not been with him for the past 7 years or so and as I mentioned I am 33 now.
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Re: Introduction

on Tue 12 Sep - 16:35
Sorry KathrynZia, since you were underage during one of your experiences, I am unable to upgrade your account. There are rules which as admins we must enforce in order to protect the site and the movement, and to uphold good ethics. One of those is that everyone involved is to be above the age of consent at the time when sexual contact took place. We simply cannot condone underage sex of any kind. You'll have to find someplace else.
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Re: Introduction

on Fri 15 Sep - 17:45
I feel that is a bit unfair given that I am currently not engaged in any relationships of that sort and I have had a consensual relationship with my half-brother as an adult off and on. I have no ability to change my past, why should I be denied access to a site simply because of my history? I am not condoning anything underage, I am simply stating my own experiences. I can refrain from talking about my experiences on here if that is what you like, but to simply ban me seems unfair to me.

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 6:37
Hi, Kat,

Thanks for friending me on Facebook. I'm going to attempt to salvage this, based on some recent discussions. Admins, please feel free to nuke this post if I'm going out of line.

Regarding your underage involvement, (a) was there any "adult stuff" going on, (b) was any participant 18 or older, and (c) was the biggest age gap between the participants more than 5 years?

Please don't say anything more than just that. Just yes or no answers to (a) through (c) are best.

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 11:06
I doubt she's coming back here, but if someone was abused by an older relative, that won't keep them from being accepted here, if they are an ally or are involved with someone as a consenting adult. What would keep someone from being accepted here is them defending such abuse or advocating it. We can't have that here nor can we have people detailing underage activity in a post that lists the age.
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on Mon 15 Jan - 12:09
Good points, Keith, though I don't think Kat implied that anything of that sort happened.

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 14:41
I still come back to check on the decision every once in a while. I am glad to see so many people standing up for me. I really appreciate it:) Regardless of what the admins seem to think, unless you are dealing with Gsa, most incest starts before age 18. Most of your members just won't admit their introduction because of this site's rules. Anyways, I have since created my own site that does not have any sort of restrictions of underage discussions or experiences. Communityincest.com.
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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 14:56
Good luck with your new site, Kat. I'll take a look at it. I'd be interested to know how you plan to keep it on track.

Honestly, I think that policy makes it vulnerable to both legal action and creepy-crawlies. But I don't know everything about everything. So go prove me wrong! Smile

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 15:01
Well I have consulted with several lawyers and do know my legal obligations. No child porn is allowed of course. As far as creepy people, I could care less so long as they are not harassing others they are welcome too. Who am I do judge someone's interests as creepy, most of society think mine are already.
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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 15:03
Kathryn, you've said you "were introduced quite young", yes? I hope you don't mind me asking, especially as you feel like you wish to have your say here. My concern, and not only mine, is: do you feel the adults involved did nothing wrong?

And thank you for consulting lawyers & keeping your legal obligations. Either way, I do appreciate that.
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Introducing Me

on Mon 15 Jan - 15:26
Hello I am Mike I am 40 years old and thinking about a relationship with my Mom who is 74!
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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 15:32
With my uncle, yes he did something wrong. That was unconsentual. No, I am not in need of therapy for this, I have already come to terms with it. I don't believe it was rape just because it was underage, it was rape because it was rape. There is pretty clear distinction in my mind. I am not going to discuss anymore on here because I am trying to be respectful of the rules of this site. If you want to contact me off the site and ask me questions, go ahead. The problem I had was that an admin contacted me over wire to ask me questions and then banned me for my answers in private. I didn't know my private answers off the site were in question. But if that is your policy, so be it.
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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 15:41
Oh, dear. I didn't know the backstory. I'm so sorry to hear that, Kat.

Murphy's Law: No good deed goes unpunished. Sad

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 19:24
Thank you for respecting our rules, that's considerate of you. And no, this wouldn't be the place for questions like that, or therapy either.
Currently, I'm not available on Wire, otherwise maybe we could talk. As things stand, it feels like we're at an impasse.

Off-topic, but that's not Murphy's Law.
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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 20:18
sleepingrain wrote:Off-topic, but that's not Murphy's Law.

It’s one of the six thousand corollaries.

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Re: Introduction

on Mon 15 Jan - 20:45
Sleepingrain,
What would you like me to do? I never mentioned any underage experiences on here and I certainly didn't promote them here. I have only answered questions and I have been extremely careful with my responses. Do I really need to be a part of this community? Well of course not, I already started my own site. But based on principal, I feel you guys banning me for something I said in a private conversation is beyond unreasonable. I followed your site rules and have been as respectful as possible. If you want to reach out to me my email is kathrynzia@gmail.com.
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