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Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sat 6 Jan - 21:44
Hello friends!

With the slow trickle of subtle (and some obvious) hints of Consang in mainstream films and television in the last forty years, it got me thinking… in your opinion, what would YOU like to see if a mainstream film were made, say about a mother and son couple who defied the odds and became lovers? Here’s some of what I would put into it.


  • Believability. It has to be something people can relate to, otherwise it’s pointless.



  • A build up. A delicate and romantic rise to the payoff. Subtly rules.



  • A happy and optimistic payoff. Marriage, pregnancy, happy ever after. I believe there is deep and profound romance in Consang, if not MORE.

 

  • Characters who fully understand the risks.



  • Sensual, slow love scenes. For me as a photographer, there is nothing more picturesque than the look in one’s eye. Love scenes don’t have to show nudity or be graphic to convey raw emotion.


What would you like to see? A particular storyline? A certain relationship?

Thanks!

- Kirok
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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sat 6 Jan - 22:06
Hi, Kirok,

Definitely requires some level of conflict to make it interesting. Leave that out and it'd be dull.

The conflict could be the consang main characters against a world that does not understand them, rather than against their own tortured psyches. We've had too much of that ilk already.

The Watershed story I'm writing, provisionally titled, "I Really Ought to Give This Thing a Title," might work. Smile

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 3:20
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One additional character who is supportive of the couple.

One primary antagonist who is an individual person.

A twist or reveal, perhaps involving the main antagonist (m/a). Perhaps the m/a finds out that they are related to their spouse and must have a reckoning of their own. Perhaps they had long ago been involved with a relative, but something went terribly awry, and they were only trying to spare the protagonist couple from a similar fate. Maybe the couple is even on the precipice of that fate, and the antagonist comes to their rescue.
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on Sun 7 Jan - 20:40
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Awesome! Some great feedback! Thank you!

Full disclosure; I am in touch with a team who is developing a short film on just this sort of thing. They feel it’s got the shock value to get it some attention, but want it to be socially responsible. I’m not involved in anyway shape or form though.

I can’t even imagine how hard of a hard sell it would be to cast such a production.
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on Sun 7 Jan - 20:54
Kirok wrote:Full disclosure; I am in touch with a team who is developing a short film on just this sort of thing. They feel it’s got the shock value to get it some attention, but want it to be socially responsible. I’m not involved in anyway shape or form though.

Can you share any details on their concept, or are they willing to?

Maybe one or more of them would like to join KS?

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on Sun 7 Jan - 21:08
It’s a small independent film, and I know that they want the project to ask tough questions, but handle it in a respectful thought provoking way. I know the characters are an adult mother and son.

But they know it will be virtually banned from every type of digital outlet out there, which is giving them some understandable hesitation to pushing this through.
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on Sun 7 Jan - 21:13
J.S. Money wrote:A twist or reveal, perhaps involving the main antagonist (m/a). Perhaps the m/a finds out that they are related to their spouse and must have a reckoning of their own. Perhaps they had long ago been involved with a relative, but something went terribly awry, and they were only trying to spare the protagonist couple from a similar fate. Maybe the couple is even on the precipice of that fate, and the antagonist comes to their rescue.

I like these concepts for the m/a. A lot. The second is the best. m/a can then become a sympathetic character.

Now we’ve got to put some meat on those bones.

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 21:17
Kirok wrote:It’s a small independent film, and I know that they want the project to ask tough questions, but handle it in a respectful thought provoking way. I know the characters are an adult mother and son.

But they know it will be virtually banned from every type of digital outlet out there, which is giving them some understandable hesitation to pushing this through.

I don’t see why. As long as it’s not pornographic. There have been at least a few movies already that have dealt with that theme. One right now (The Westermarck Effect) is in post-production but I do not have good vibes about it; it’s another of the we-can’t-help-this-and-we’re-so-ashamed ilk. It would be great to see a movie that is supportive of the relationship.

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 21:43
Please keep us updated on the progress of this film! I sure hope they bring it through to completion.

That said, I also hope it is a good representation of this community, socially responsible, respectful, and thought-provoking, but also emotionally moving. I viewed the teaser trailer for Westermarck Effect, and it's does not look like a movie that suitably represents consang people and their relationships. Playing it for shock value seems like a no-no. I also doubt whether a film about this topic can realistically be produced for money at this point in time. I hope this team proves me wrong with their short film. I think having awareness as the goal would result in a much better film than if the goal is money or success for the film maker.
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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 22:12
It's definitely been more prominent lately, so I feel we have a good window of opportunity.
So long as it's something we & regulars can both relate with - that's most important to me. Otherwise, there's no bridge.
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on Sun 7 Jan - 22:55
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I’ll make sure to mention this AWESOME board to them to get come insight. I am vying to help write it, so we’ll see. I know it’s not porn as they want it to be a “happy ever after” love story, kind of a “who are we to judge” piece. I’m with you J.S. Money, I really hope it is more for awareness and shining a positive light on the subject.
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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 23:06
Personally, I'd be glad to have them as members if they're willing. I think we could offer them a lot.

I agree with J.S. that it should not be played for shock value.

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Sun 7 Jan - 23:12
I definitely agree that relatablity is the key to any successful movie. Without that, there's no point. For that sake, I'm inclined to say that the couple should be close in age and opposite-gender, as most couples are.

But I also think it might be better for a movie to totally ignore the issue of reproduction, because genetics is the one area of concern that actually has some concrete legitimacy. So perhaps a man and woman in at least their 50s? Or maybe both men or both women, of any similar age, would actually be better? And then I'd say women because a) audiences would be more accepting, and b) more women in lead roles!

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Kirok wrote:...they want it to be a “happy ever after” love story, kind of a “who are we to judge” piece

I sure hope it is!
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on Sun 7 Jan - 23:15
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J.S. Money wrote:I definitely agree that relatablity is the key to any successful movie.

Hey, J.S., please put a trigger warning on those stinky puns! Smile

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Mon 8 Jan - 14:42
Good hearing they're not making a smut piece, though it didn't sound like it. I do also agree with JS, it shouldn't be solely for shock value. And also with unowen; if they're willing, maybe they could visit us? OR send us emails or some such.
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on Mon 8 Jan - 14:49
sleepingrain wrote:Good hearing they're not making a smut piece, though it didn't sound like it. I do also agree with JS, it shouldn't be solely for shock value. And also with unowen; if they're willing, maybe they could visit us? OR send us emails or some such.

Not sure whether you meant get access to the site or do some online text or voice chats. I'd have no problem with either, through secure channels such as Wire and maintaining anonymity. I'd draw the line at streaming video, though.

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Tue 9 Jan - 1:19
Kirok, do you know whether the couple in this film is a GSA couple? I feel like a movie about a non-GSA pairing would be nice. I get the sense that people are more aware of GSA, already (and probably don't have the best view of it). It actually might help people realize that GSA isn't some helpless, regrettable situation that people find themselves in if they are exposed to a couple that has been around each other all their lives. Or maybe a GSA movie done the right way could accomplish the same thing, but then audiences wouldn't be exposed to a non-GSA relationship.
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on Tue 9 Jan - 13:50
I know the script has the two main characters as mother and son who are "outted" by a jealous co-worker of the mother's. She is a successful CEO of a IT company and another board member who was vying for her job hires a private investigator to dig up the dirt on her. The P.I. (female) goes from enemy to advocate for the couple, and ends up seeing that it's not as disgusting as she was taught to believe.

Does that help answer your question?

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Tue 9 Jan - 13:54
Sounds good so far! It doesn't answer J.S.'s question though. Did the couple meet after the son had grown up, or were they always together?

GSA is a frequent result of long separation.

Are they willing to share the script? Under copyright, of course.

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Tue 9 Jan - 15:19
Okay, sorry, I'm not up to speed on the syntax just yet. I'll get there!

The couple has always been in each other's lives.

Sure, I'd be willing to share the script! Share it in here or privately?

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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Tue 9 Jan - 15:46
Hi, Kirok,

It was a semantics error, but I'll let that slide. Smile

Let's do it privately. When you get the email set up, please send it to me, JS, and Jane. We can add others as needed.

Thanks!
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Re: Your Ideal Consang Film?

on Wed 10 Jan - 3:14
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Wow, that sounds like an excellent story idea! I hope that audiences can really relate to the PI who changes her view on the couple's relationship. I think KS members were thinking of a story that's more focused on the consang couple and the nature of their relationship, so it's great that these folks are taking a different, valuable approach to the topic.
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