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What's your take on the universe?

on Wed 1 Jun - 2:58
Hiya everyone! love & well-wishes for all of you

Religion, Spirituality, Philosophy, and the Grand Unifying Theory; what are they to you? is it taking something simple and making it complicated? or perhaps the view is better from the ivory tower?
these things can be incendiary for some people to talk about... though that doesn't feel like it will be a problem here.
the floor is yours!
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Wed 1 Jun - 9:27
God is truth, energy, love and consciousness. The Big Bang is the answer to HOW the universe came to be, love is the reason WHY.

The universe isn't one bit like they thought it was even a century ago.

Modern re-runs of the Michaelson-Morley experiment prove the existence of ether, although it is no longer called that any more (although the modern word for it escapes me right now). It can only be detected INDIRECTLY by very accurately measuring the speed of light in two directions at two different times of the year. Light waves going AGAINST the ether wind travel oh so slightly slower than they should. The could not detect this 100 years ago and so for a century it was believed that ether did not exist.

Ether is basically the medium through which light and other waves on the electromagnetic spectrum may travel, just as waves on the ocean need the water to go anywhere, and sound needs air.... electromagnetic waves need ether.

Then there is the whole fascinating field of quantum physics. Google the double slit experiment, you will find that particles like photons and electrons are ABLE TO BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE.

When a single photon is split into two, the two remain entangled and act AS THOUGH THEY ARE STILL AS ONE. Quantum entanglement has implications, it means that all that was ever connected always remains connected.... and what could be more connected than every part of the universe that used to be crushed into the pea? Google this too.

That's another thing, solid objects ARE NOT ACTUALLY SOLID. What we call matter is the result of interference waves. Google the holographic universe.

At it's base level the universe is a sea of information. We decode a tiny fraction of this information with the five senses, but MUCH MORE INFORMATION is there. Actually, we're pretty much visually BLIND being able to see only 3% of what is there.

We exist in just one small frequency range, akin in a way to a radio station. We're vibrating at the same frequency as the objects around us and therefore we may interact with them. There is sometimes interference between these 'channels' and that is why ghosts are sometimes seen. They do not walk through walls, the walls aren't there in their dimension. They're the deceased who are simply tuned into a slightly different frequency range than they were when they inhabited their bodies.

We're in a dense, slowly vibrating channel, and so everything looks and feels solid to us. As frequency rates increase, so does the total amount of information that the inhabitants on that channel have access to. For instance, inhabitants on the next rung up have access to four dimensions rather than three, and are able to see past, present and future as easily as we see the three dimensions of the room we're sitting in. That's only the beginning though, as MANY more dimensions above that exist. On the highest dimensions, only energy and love exists, a oneness with all that is, ever was and ever will be. Beings advanced enough to get there have literally gone back to God, they were a part of God all along but never knew it for most of the journey and the false sense of separation that creates. We can only get there over MANY MANY lifetimes. People who are able to see the future for certain have been called seers, prophets, oracles...etc, but they are only people who are preparing to move up one level, graduating from what is essentially spiritual kindergarten.

Modern science and spirituality have come full circle.

'Anyone who does not know love does not know God, for God is love' - Jesus Christ
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Thu 2 Jun - 4:05
Our vision of the universe is very much the same, all of that which you said. That Ether has been proven experimentally as well
though... this is new information and definitely needs more reading on!

but, for the record:

Love is the unavoidable result of being connected to the Infinite, and to each other. Feeling what others feel makes hatred of
others as healthy as hatred of the self, and about as sustainable too. Seeing the potential of the Infinite inside all people
(including one's self) renders it impossible, so long as the connection lasts.

The universe feels to exist like a moral play; it enables good deeds, and it is a good deed to enable the existence of good deeds. It
enables bad things too, but the universe can exist without the bad. It's kind of like having children.
If this is so, even when it ends, it will start again, because it will be a good deed to re-enable good deeds. Eternal recurrence
suggests this too.

In the end, only the truth remains; anything untrue is metastable, and can't last. Sometimes, it feels like perhaps that is why our
observable universe has entropy; it's a dream compared to the real. We're all dream-people inside & part of the mind of something greater.
It's also why good will inevitably prevail; evil can win no more than a shadow can win over that which cast it.
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Wed 28 Dec - 13:21
I'm going to be the party pooper here and go with the cold scientific version of the universe Razz No Gods, no spirits, just matter, energy chaos and order.
That however doesn't mean that I don't consider the fact that such sheer randomness evolved into life that thinks and feels sort of miraculous. If you think of it from the evolutionary perspective, what we are is just DNA that wants to be replicated. That is the core of life, everything else is just a side effect, a vehicle for our DNA to use so it can try to maximize chances of replication. The fact that that "side effect" has evolved into art, science, love, hate etc is what makes life so damn precious imo.
Hell I actually think that even if you look at it from a pure scientific perspective all of it is still "magical". Just think that we are made from the same matter and energy that stars are made, stars millions of light years away. Think that once all of the universe was just compressed in a point, that the matter you are made of today could have been next to matter a planet in alpha Centauri is made of!Or next to the matter an alien life form even more far away is made of!Essentially the whole universe IS a big family if you look at it this way Razz. And all that just blew up and made an infinetely huge place full of wonder, with us here trying to make sense of it, working, loving , living...
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Mon 20 Mar - 14:48
I didn't believe there was people so spiritual here.
To CaineTheExil : Is it easy to wake up every morning, with the certitude that nothing matters, that your feelings are mere electric impulses in your brains, that your body and your mate's body are merely scraps of flesh whose only distinction from corpses, is a little more electricity, and some chemical differences ?
That your love is also a "side-effect" to grant you moment gratification ?
I don't know if you're right, and this clearly ain't a belief humans are hard-wired to have ... We are made to make sense of anything, after all. Nihilism is the end of the any ethic behavior, not based on calculation of further egoistical interest.


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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Wed 22 Mar - 3:13
Jane your reply was so beautiful and blew me away!!
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Sat 1 Apr - 2:45
I'm very glad to see some discussion here! and no worries about being a voice of reason Caine; truth is, a pyramid has more than one side. By sharing which sides we see, maybe we'll grasp something of the whole. Maybe not anytime soon but worth trying!
The scientific universe isn't necessarily cold (at least, not until heat-death!); you've an appreciation for the improbability of everything and that underlying pattern. Your thoughts and wonder are lovely to hear!
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Tue 12 Dec - 12:37
We can never know everything about it. And it is mathematically provable that we can't. (Turing's incompleteness theorem and others.)

The physical Universe we can see is very likely not all of Creation.

The fundamental physical constants are, as far as we can determine, perfectly set up to allow life to exist. And, as far as we can determine, there is no particular physical reason for them to be set up so perfectly. (Anthropic principle.)

Evolution exists, but we still have no good idea about how life originated. (Abiogenesis.)

Scientists are not gods. They are human beings.

Science is not a religion. It is a technique of investigation and inference that has worked well for us so far.

In the end, observation and thought can take us only so far. Therefore, we must have faith.

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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Thu 14 Dec - 3:55
I'm about 85% atheist. If there is a vast overarching creator deity, it isn't especially interested in us except perhaps on a species level; certainly not personally or even culturally. That's the 85%. If there is a capital-G-God, it makes no difference because it doesn't see me as in any way special compared to all it's other creations, certainly not enough to bend the rules of the universe and/or probability because I ask it nicely.

The other 15% is that I do believe in spirits of a smaller sort. Ghosts, but also other things that have been described variously as "fae", "nature spirits", "demons" or "angels". I don't think we can actually claim to know anything about them or their ecology or their morality (or lack thereof) because our cultural experience with them is heavily tainted by our own biases. Mostly I figure better off leaving them alone altogether, like bears and grumpy armadillos.

I do think they'd have to have some kind of "spiritual ecosystem" and be bound by some kind of laws of spiritual physics, but again, it'd be very arrogant to assume we could know what those rules are since we can't reliably observe them the way we can physical animals.

I also think there is some heretofore undescribed component to consciousness and probability that allows things like Tarot and Astrology to work accurately under the right circumstances. I have gotten some statistically significant results from Tarot, so I use it. I have not gotten any conclusive results from "spells" (of the Wiccan variety, specifically) or other means of actually manipulating unseen forces, though I don't discount the idea that someone could. Just not me.

So I believe in spiritual things, that I have observed and tested to my own satisfaction, but not an Omni[anything] God that watches over us as individuals.

But if anyone asks, I'm just Jewish.
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Re: What's your take on the universe?

on Sat 16 Dec - 4:47
I could choose to see myself as utterly alone in a materialistic universe, which is indifferent to my joy or suffering. Sartre's existentialism, for example, seems to proceed from this bleak premise.

But I find it more conducive to my mental health -- and equally compatible with scientific observation -- to see myself as *part* of the universe, intimately interdependent with it in fact. The boundary between me and the rest of the universe is, upon close examination, quite porous. The air I breath, the water I drink, enter my bloodstream and become part of me for a while, then get exhaled or excreted and become part of the rest of the universe again. In fact, the atoms that now make up my body are entirely different from the atoms that made up my body 7 years ago. This awareness of interdependence evokes in me an attitude of belonging, gratitude, and love toward the rest of the universe.

I seek to cultivate this awareness of interdependence, to reach out to what I will abstractly call the 'spirit' of the universe (without intending thereby any particular ontological claims). I reach out because I find that it gives me comfort and strength to do so. Because I cannot reach out to this spirit except through the prism of human personality, I choose to imagine and invoke this spirit as Goddess and God, mother and father -- in Hindu terms, Shakti and Shiva. The enabling assumption here is that any religious imagery, approached in a sincere spirit of reaching out, will lead to an experience of this spirit. Being male, and heterosexual, I tend to identify with the male polarity, and to invoke the spirit as Goddess; and the physical universe I see as continually being born from their ecstatic union. This symbolism is important to me because it takes the powerful human experience of sexual love and, rather than treating it as an embarrassing afterthought (the 'naughty bits'), makes it the central metaphor for the manifestation of Goddess in the universe, and for my worshipful relationship with Her. The Bible says 'God is love." I say, Goddess is Love, and She has orgasms.

And since I'm in a consang-friendly forum here, I can be explicit that, yes, the Goddess is both Mother and Lover to me. Why shouldn't I be free to love Her and relate to her in both ways? Indeed, I think this spiritual orientation of mine is part of what drew me here.
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