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Who was Cain’s wife?

on Sun 22 Jul - 2:58

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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Sun 22 Jul - 4:42
Yes, I go into details about this: http://marriage-equality.blogspot.com/2013/08/tale-as-old-as-time.html

I've heard Bible experts who are devout believers say it is possible the children of Adam and
Eve were also having sex with Adam and Eve, in addition to each other. Their reasoning is that genetic problems didn't exist at first because Adam and Eve were created without them, so it was OK. But anyone who believes The Flood was global then runs into the genetic problem again with the apparently eight surviving humans.

Now, for anyone who rejects those stories as historical and believes in the prevailing scientific theories of human origins, there is still a lot of consanguineous mating that had to have taken place. Indeed, it probably helped distinguish different groups of hominids.

Now, when Bible readers get to Leviticus, they find a prohibition, along with a lot of other rules, many of which are like state laws for a state that doesn't exist anymore. I'm not convinced Leviticus was addressing a genetic issue. There could have been many different reasons Leviticus says what it does. Distinguishing them from Egypt and the other nations could be reason enough, as they had consanguinamory.

Trying to get as many different families intertwined with each other is another possible reason. Remember, marriages were like business deals between clans.

Our modern concept of age of consent didn't exist. Heck, they didn't have the same concept of consent in general. (There are still places in the world where a husband can't be charged with raping his wife.) Women and children were often entirely dependent on the whims of a patriarch. There weren't social workers, child protective services, elder protection services, battered women's shelters, etc. So, Leviticus could have been about protecting against abusers.

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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Tue 28 Aug - 17:52
There are also some theories that Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, etc. weren't individual persons per se, but groups of people/nations, but it was more easily told by making them individuals
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Wed 29 Aug - 5:21
Right. There are many different ways the text is approached.

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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Thu 30 Aug - 8:17
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The less time we waste talking about these old superstitions and fictitious fairy tales for children - the better. All the creation stories from the various religions involve some form of incestuous relationships and there was not a lot of hair tugging moralizing about it, especially the Greek gods.

A German writer in the 1930s wrote (1)"If we were to assume that among the 1,800 million people living there today, there was no blood-relationship, humanity was able to reproduce inbred-free for around 30 generations. However, since humanity was earlier smaller than it is today, we can assert that on the basis of these mathematical considerations every man alive today is a product of inbreeding. However, this will usually be a very wide one.

Also the cultural history of humanity   shows us that inbreeding has always prevailed in human society, and to a much greater extent among the old peoples than is the case today.

So we know that the strongest inbreeding was the order of the day among the ancient Peruvians. An Inca had to marry his own sister to keep the blood clean. But even in the lower castes it was customary to marry the sister, daughter, even his own mother.



That's exactly how it was with the Persians. Here, too, the strongest inbreeding flourished through the centuries.
Even the Egyptians were to marry their nearest relatives both in the ruling caste and in folk custom. So was the famous Ptolemy princess Cleopatra child and grandchild ever a sibling marriage.
However, the people in whom inbreeding, albeit to a lesser degree, has maintained the longest, are probably the Jews. "The history of this people is at the same time the story of his strict law, which is based on the strictest inbreeding," says Reibmayr (1), who is himself a Jew. For the Jew, inbreeding means a law of religion; for him it is commanded by God. No nation has done inbreeding with such brutal violence as the Jewish one. When the ancient Jews conquered a land, the overwhelmed male population was "put to the sword" or sold, the women were driven out of the country. All this was done just to prevent mixing. And this law has been preserved to this day.
(1) Alfred Aschenbrenner 'Inbreeding as a population-political problem set out in the population of the Franconian village of Hartenstein' Doctoral dissertation 1936

It is funny that in the country where Leviticus was written, the state is not as incestophobic as in North Carolina and other Bible thumping states. ACI is not a crime in Israel. What causes bigotry anyway?
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

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In the beginning God created the Adam. The Adam was male and female. Then God put the Adam to sleep. He removed Adam's female side. (not a rib, the whole side) Then when Satan approached Hava in the Garden, he was in a form that was capable of having sex with a human female. Satan was not a snake, that is merely one of those Freudian phallic symbols. Lots of spec right now that Satan was Cain's bio father. Since Cain was bad from the starting line.
Then, Adam "went into Hava" and she gave birth to Abel. What the Torah and Choran don't have is the fact that Abel and Cain had twin sisters. Abel was to marry Cain's sister and vice versa. But once again, Satan got to Cain and told him that he was being cheated. "They want you to marry the ugly, dumb one and Abel gets your twin who is really, really HOT!

It worked. Cain went to Abel and killed him. Then Cain went to the land of Nod and Abel's twin was w/o a husband. Ergo, Seth was conceived and she had to wait for about 13 years for Seth to be old enough to marry.

For more detailed information go to THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE and THE LOST BOOKS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. It's all there.
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 2:13
Regarding all the inbreeding back then, it makes me wonder if the Westermark Effect is a more recent phenomenon. If not, then a lot of nobles were in marriages that made them go "ick," haha!

So if Westermark wasn't in effect (heh) back in the day, I wonder if they experienced double love quite often.
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 2:29
does anyone really take the bible adam, eve, cain, able and all that literally? It's obviously just a myth and not real and doesn't really merit that much speculation.
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 2:38
I certainly don't. I was merely wondering about the historical accounts of consanguinamory - if that term even fits if they didn't love each other romantically? (I'm not sure if your comment was directed at me in any way, Celes... but I figured I'd pipe in just in case.).
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 3:07
To no one specifically just in general. I mean none of it really happened so why wonder at all who they married?
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 3:12
Yeah, my comment was more aimed at AbeSarah's comment, and how royalty would marry within the family line.
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Re: Who was Cain’s wife?

on Fri 2 Nov - 5:10
There are a lot of people who think these were real,people. Even more people think we're to,learn lessons from them even if they're fictional characters. That's why it comes up.

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